Decks & Deck Hardware – Marine How To https://marinehowto.com The go-to site for DIY boat owners featuring in depth, step-by-step articles for repair maintenance & upgrades Tue, 24 May 2022 21:30:30 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.9.3 Rebedding Deck Hardware With Bed-It Butyl Tape https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/#comments Wed, 08 Apr 2015 17:26:20 +0000 http://theme-fusion.com/avada/?p=213 Originally published December 2003 *Moved & Edited September 2017 5/20/2022  IMPORTANT UPDATE! BED -It TAPE  is now distributed by; Sailboatowners.com (link) Countersunk/Beveled Hole Over the years, especially in the last few weeks via PM's/emails, I have been asked how I bed deck hardware with Bed-It Tape. Late one [...]

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Counter Sunk Beveled Hole

Originally published December 2003
*Moved & Edited September 2017

5/20/2022  IMPORTANT UPDATE!

BED -It TAPE  is now distributed by; Sailboatowners.com (link)

Countersunk/Beveled Hole

Over the years, especially in the last few weeks via PM’s/emails, I have been asked how I bed deck hardware with Bed-It Tape. Late one night I was in the barn staring at a cleat, and a small scrap of clear Lexan, hmmmm…… A drill, counter sink, some Bed-It Tape ( butyl based hybrid elastomer that does not cure, harden or crack), my camera and a few minutes later I had the pics I needed. Sorry it took so long, it just needed to “click” the way I wanted to present it..

Here’s how to bed deck hardware with Bed-It Tape:

Step 1 – Countersink the deck holes slightly and then clean everything with Acetone or a similar fast evaporating solvent.  Be sure your cleaning solvent is compatible with your decks finish.

SITE PLUG: After this article was published, we were forced to develop a marine specific butyl based hybrid elastomeric sealant. Bed -It Tape was specifically formulated and tested for marine use. Bed-It Tape can be found at;  Sailboatowners.com.  Please understand that despite our use of the word “butyl” Bed-It Tape is not a standard “butyl-tape”. Bed-It Tape is a hybrid product utilizing Compass Marine Inc. own proprietary formulation.

Spyder Crazing Due To Lack of Beveled Edge

If you click this image and make it larger you will see two spider cracks radiating out from the drilled hole in the deck. If this hole had been beveled/countersunk this would likely not have happened. The experienced high quality builders learned this trick a long time ago.

Spyder Crazing Due To Lack of Beveled Edge

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5/8″ Countersink Bit

Why on earth do I countersink or chamfer the deck side of the skins?

#1   This practice does a lot to prevent gelcoat crazing. By feathering the edge of the gelcoat, through the use of countersink bit, you are now a lot less likely to start a crack or craze mark in the gelcoat. Gelcoat is an un-reinforced product and because of this its prone to cracking. Sharp right angle holes are a good place for these cracks to begin when you tighten the deck hardware and potentially flex the substrate. Beveling the edge of the hole or feathering it limits the ability of the crack to begin or start. This is why you often see holes drilled into plate glass that will have beveled or rounded edges too.

#2   By creating a bevel or countersunk recess in the surface of the deck the butyl tape has a cavity to fill. Without a bevel the hardware would compress the sealant to about 1/64th of an inch thick after the fasteners are tightened. Marine sealants do have some flexibility but not as much as you would guess. Follow me for a moment; Let’s say you have a marine sealant that has a rating of 400% elongation before break on a 1/64″ thick joint. Simple math shows you that 400% of 1/64″ is only 1/16″ of total allowable joint movement before a joint failure or leak starts. In the case of a stamped stainless steel stanchion base, 1/16″ is not much allowable movement before failure.

#3   By countersinking around the bolt holes you increase the maximum thickness of the sealant, at the bevel, to roughly a 3/32″ depth at it’s deepest point. Using the same math as above 3/32″ X 400% gives you a total joint movement before failure of 3/8″. If a mechanically fastened joint is moving 3/8″ you have more problems than just a deck leak! So 1/16″ allowable movement before failure at 400% without countersinking or 3/8″ allowable movement at 400% before failure with countersinking. Even a small bevel will drastically increase max allowable movement before failure. Countersinking to a mere 1/16″ depth will give you 1/4″ total movement around the bolt before failure. You don’t need a deep bevel to make a large difference between a failure and a seal.

#4   Countersinking is a super easy task and has many many benefits. For instance, you can install the fitting and tighten it down now with no waiting and you can seal deck hardware alone.

I am going to inject some strong opinion here so please move on to the next photo if you don’t want to hear it.

I have a high level of disdain the Don Casey “two step“, “wait to tighten until cure and form a gasket” method of bedding deck hardware. Believe it or not but I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I do however feel as if Don Casey wrote that technique to guarantee boatyards future revenue. (grin & wink)

This is NOT to say that it can’t work though. It certainly can and does work.

“So what’s with the angst RC?”

The problem with the two step method & using a marine sealant is this;

Can the average DIY or yard employee get repeatable results that are reliable and consistent?

The answer to that is very often a big fat NO!

This is not about the idea of forming a layer of sealant between the fitting and deck being a bad idea, but rather about the EXECUTION, which can be very difficult to perfect and get repeatable & reliable results, being the bad part of the idea..

Think about it like this;

  • If the sealant cures, to form a “gasket”, and you then move the bolt while tightening it down on the “second step”…. It can break the seal and leak…
  • If you create a gasket too thick, and then can’t get the mechanically fastened hardware tight enough against the deck, because of compression resistance in the new gasket, the hardware will move, and the sealant will eventually fail and leak.
  • If you don’t let the sealant kick/cure just right, which is very difficult, it can all squeeze out and again it can leak. Why is this so difficult with a sealant? Because most commonly used marine sealants are temp and environment cured. This means that humidity & temperature change the duration & rate of cure so it is not easily repeatable.

Honestly, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Casey, he writes excellent, excellent stuff and I am a huge fan. Unfortunately this method for bedding deck hardware is perhaps some of the most difficult to execute advic to achieve in the real world.

I have witnessed far too many cases of core rot due to both DIY & professional “two step” bedding procedures than I would have liked to.

“But RC what makes it so hard?”

The biggest problem is that most marine sealants are moisture cured and you really have no way to know what state of cure they are in. The edges of a fitting may be at the right state but the middle of the fitting still wet & unchanged. Moisture cured sealants change states in a very unpredictable manner.

With a quality marine grade butyl it is more of a “one step” procedure because the consistency of the product is not changing states and all your doing it tightening slowly or over time to let it “displace” out from under the fitting to the point where it stops oozing out.

So where did I lean this countersinking method?

I learned this from a worker at Hinckley Yachts back in the 80’s.. Morris, Sabre and other top quality builders have known this secret for years but many of the big production builders are still either too cheap, or just don’t know about it. This extra step takes all of about 30 seconds per stanchion but apparently it’s too much “extra” work for most builders.

OK I’m done with my rant…for now…

Marine Sealant Failure

Here’s a prime example of where the 1/16″ of movement might make a difference. This is a stanchion base on a major production sailboat that was only two years old. The factory marine sealant, made by 3M, has failed and caused a void when the stainless plate flexed and bent.

This is another reason I prefer cast stainless or aluminum stanchion bases as they do not flex like plate stainless does. On top of the stanchion base bending this manufacturer also does not countersink the deck holes, which in this case resulted in wet deck core in under two years! Had the deck penetrations been properly countersunk there is a very high probability that this leak never would have occurred despite the cheesy quality of the stanchion base..

Marine Sealant Failure

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Lifting Eye Backing Plate (outside the boat)

If by chance you’re reading this, and are still not convinced about countersinking, this is a lifting eye I installed in 2002 for an inflatable RIB dinghy. To do this install all I did was bevel the outer hull with a countersink bit, clean the surface with acetone, install the fitting with 3M 101 polysulfide and tighten it down once. I then cleaned up the goop that squished out and called it a day.

This fitting has been bone dry now for fifteen years and resides below water, as in completely submerged, when the dinghy is floating.

EDITED: 2/12/2016: This lifting pad eye us still bone dry and not leaking a single drop, at 15 years, in a fully submerged application. The process you use is a huge part of the success or failure rate.

Lifting Eye (inside the boat)

If you’re still not convinced in the utility of countersinking the holes in your deck this photo was taken at year 8 of these pad eye’s being installed. Even at year 8 they still exhibited zero leaks and are still 100% bone dry.

While you probably could use marine grade butyl below water, I don’t. I still use marine sealants instead such as Sikaflex 291 or a Polysulfide. 3M 101 is no longer marketed so you are left with Boat life Life-Calk as the sole marine grade polysulfide. I never liked Life-Calk as much as 3M 101 but it’s still better than Satan’s glue, AKA 3M 5200. (wink)

This process is easy. Countersink, clean, tighten & clean up…. Done!

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Morris Yachts Countersinking !

Okay, okay still not convinced? Here’s how one of the finest boat builders in the world does it. I took this photo at Morris Yachts of a brand new Morris during the deck hardware installation. These four holes are for the Dorade box on an M-36.

It is reprehensible to me, in this day and age, that the production builders are so hell bent on saving 2¢ that they won’t take the extra 30 seconds needed to properly install deck hardware.

It took this Morris Yachts craftsman less than 30 seconds to bevel these holes, including installing the countersink bit into the drills chuck. 30 seconds!

How many Pearson, Catalina, Hunter, Beneteau or other mass produced boats do we see or survey annually with wet decks? LOTS!!! How many Morris, Hinckley or other top builders, using proper installation methods, do we see with wet decks. Hardly any.. Hundreds of thousands of boats with wet core over 30 extra seconds per fitting, if that. Ridiculous really…

Rant over… (wink)

A Close Up

Four properly countersunk deck penetrations on a brand new Morris.

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I Also Beveled The Lexan

Okay, back on track.. For this illustration I also slightly beveled the piece of polycarbonate to make these illustrations complete.

Wrap Heads With Butyl

Step 2 – Wrap Bolt Heads – You’ll want to rip off a small piece of butyl and knead it into a string then wrap the underside of the bolt or machine screw head.

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Press Into Deck Hardware

Step 3 – Press the through bolts into deck hardware with some good pressure.

First though make sure the hardware is clean, Acetone works well, but if Silicone was previously used you’ll really want abrasives as Acetone won’t touch dry silicone contamination.

Gelcoat silicone contamination is a whole other subject for a whole other day. Please avoid silicone except for certain tasks involving plastics that require its use.

Flip Deck Hardware

Once the bolt heads are wrapped, and pushed through, flip the hardware over.

Install Butyl Cones

Step 4 – Strip some more butyl tape and make another round string. Wrap the string around the bolt threads or shoulder. Knead, work, mash & twist the butyl cones into the threads of the bolt and shape them like a cone.

Apply Butyl Tape To Hardware Base

Step 5 – Apply a thin layer of marine butyl tape to the rest of the base. It is perfectly ok to stretch and pull on the butyl while laying it on in order to make slightly thinner. The tape I use, Bed-It Tape, is 1/2″ wide by 1/16″ thick and is specifically formulated for sealing deck hardware.  I make Bed-It Tape available for purchasing for the readers of this site.

Press Hardware Onto Deck

Step 6- In colder climates you may want to warm the butyl to soften it some. After warming, with heat gun on the warm setting, or a heat lamp, line up the bolts with the holes and press the hardware firmly onto the deck. I will often stand on the fitting, if possible, to partially displace and seat the butyl.

For illustrative purposes clear polycarbonate was used in place of a deck. This is another Marine How To first, but don’t worry one of the magazines will surely pilfer this idea off me in no time. (Wink).

This photo allows you to see what actually happens when you bed deck hardware with Bed-It Tape.

Apply Backing Plates & Tighten

Step 7 – Install the backing plates, in this case I just used fender washers, and begin to tighten the fitting.

Please use suitable backing plates. These fender washers would not be the best choice in a stanchion or deck cleat as they are far to thin and a little on the small side, diameter wise, for a cored deck.

You will be best to have two people or a good way to keep the bolt from moving. Ideally you do not want the machine screw or bolt to spin, but if you absolutely have to, you can slightly soften the butyl with a q-tip and some mineral spirits and go for it. If the bolt does spin slightly, with butyl, this is not the end of the world and you will still likely get a water tight seal. If you can minimize both twisting that is great if not do your best to minimize it.

WARNING:

* Tighten a the bolts a little bit at a time as the butyl will ooze out slowly. It needs time to do this. The consistency of a marine grade butyl like Bed-It Tape is quite dense, by design.

* Tighten > let it sit > tighten > let it sit > tighten > let it sit etc. etc..

* When little to no more butyl squishes out between deck and hardware & the bolt & nut become tight, you can stop torquing.

* This can take numerous small tightening events.  You can even go days or weeks between them if you want to spread it out. A marine butyl does not cure so you do not need rush it.

If you have a wood deck core DO NOT crush it by over tightening, better yet bore out some core and pot the hole with thickened epoxy. Unlike the “two step” method you are not waiting for the butyl to cure or change consistency but you do need to allow it to slowly displace out from under the fitting. This compression & squeezing forces the butyl into every nook and cranny and makes for an excellent seal..

Here I have taken pictures of the underside and the top side of the fitting.

Use Proper Backing Plates!

As I mentioned in the last photo please use properly sized backing plates!

This is a prime example of DIY boat work gone bad. Ouch!! This stanchion base had NO sealant of any type installed. No polysulfide, no a polyurethane, no butyl and not even the dreaded silicone.

As a result of this unbelievably poor installation the core turned to mush. The thin fiberglass deck skins, combined with dinky little washers, could not withstand the forces applied on the 24″ lever attached to the stanchion base, and …….. rip!

Butyl Will Squeeze Out

After tightening, the excess butyl will ooze out around the edges. The easiest way to clean it up is to pull or peel it away first. Use some of the excess butyl to make a small ball that you can then make quick stab & pull motions at the remaining ooze around the fitting. This quick stab & pull motion, with a butyl ball in hand, will get about 85-90% of the butyl cleaned up.

Clean Up Butyl Ooze

Step 8 – Peel away excess ooze and clean with Meguiars cleaner wax, or a rag slightly dampened with mineral spirits. Do not saturate the rag with mineral spirits as it can creep under the fitting, just damp.

I find a ball of already “peeled” butyl works well at pulling away excess using a stab & pull motion. Stab the ball into the joint and pull away. The butyl will stick to the ball first and usually peel away from the joint. Alternatively you can use plastic razor blades or scrapers.

Contrary to popular myths about bedding all the Bed-It Tape does not squeeze out from between the surfaces even after the fitting is fully tight. This is the magic of Bed-It Tape, but it does take multiple small tightening events, ideally without letting the bolt spin, to get the vast majority of the butyl to squeeze out.You will get to a point where it stops oozing but butyl remains under the fitting keeping a water tight seal.

If you do spin a bolt a little bit don’t fret about it. A good marine grade butyl does not harden or change consistency, like in the two step process with a marine sealant, and can take some twisting without causing a leak. Still the less spinning the better.

WARNING:

I know I may sound like a broken record but folks keep emailing me about this. Once again, please TIGHTEN SLOWLY!

DO NOT try and tighten the hardware to fully tight right away. A marine grade butyl tape, such as Bed-It Tape, relies on a slow compression to do it’s job and seal properly. It takes time for it to compress, displace and move into every nook and cranny. The larger the deck fitting the more time it takes for this process to take place. Because of the density of a marine grade butyl tape it takes time for it to get displaced and squished out the edges of the fitting. When it stops oozing you can stop making small tightening adjustments.

Bed-It Tape is pretty dense, it was formulated to be, and is the perfect consistency for bedding marine deck hardware, but you need to be patient when tightening the hardware.

Remember you’re not waiting for the butyl to change consistency, harden or cure so these tightening adjustments are not time constrained at all. If you can’t get back to it for a month, just pick up where you left off.

I sometimes take about two to three days of small tightening events to bed the hardware. Yes this is more labor intensive but the finished product, when done correctly, can still be bone dry beyond 30 years as it has been on over 80% of our own boat. Yes, over 80% of the deck hardware on our boat is still un-rebedded at 35 years old and still not leaking.

In colder weather butyl flows slower than in warm so adjust the tightening increments based on temp and how fast it is displacing..

View of Butyl O-Ring-/ Seal After Tightening

This is a view after tightening to full tight, and then removing the nut and washer. You can see how well it actually seals and also the o-ring seal of very thick butyl created by countersinking & butyl cone. The butyl o-ring created by countersinking the deck side is evidenced and can be seen by the darker colored ring of butyl around the bolt.

Bed-It Tape History

Bed-It Tape was developed after this article was originally written. I started to get nasty emails saying the “butyl” did not behave or perform as I had described it to. This was odd to me so I went ahead and began ordering butyl tape and testing it.

I quickly discovered the butyl tapes of today, thanks to EPA standards, were not what they had been in the 70’s. The products I ordered were so horrible I was forced to develop a true marine quality product for this purpose.

Developing Bed-It Tape took over a year of testing and working with my lab to get the first rolls to market.  I tested multiple formulations and we made numerous tweaks to the formulation for the best performance in bedding deck hardware. We made tweaks to improve the product for less cold flow / creep for hot climates as well as elongation and adhesion and improvements to chemical resistance. What we ended up with was no longer a typical “butyl tape” but a hybrid elastomer sealant formulated for the job it was intended it for. I still refer to Bed-It as “butyl” even though it has been structurally & chemically modified well beyond what a “butyl tape” really is.

Bed-It Tape is sold in 1/16″ thick by 1/2″ wide X 50′ long rolls. It is specifically engineered & formulated for bedding marine deck hardware and best of all it is manufactured right here in the USA supporting US jobs. Even the packaging  is made here in the USA!

Bed-It Tape can be purchased from; Sailboat Owners.com

Many builders used to use butyl tape, CS Yachts and many others did, but they all stopped because butyl in a production environment is significantly more labor intensive despite being a better mouse trap.

The benefits of Bed-It Tape are numerous:

#1   It never hardens and remains at the same thick flexible consistency.

#2   Because it never hardens deck hardware can flex and move slightly, and the Bed-It Tape does too.

#3    It is multiple times more flexible than a cured polyurethane or polysulfide.

#4   It sticks extremely well to clean gelcoat, plastic, aluminum, bronze or stainless.

#5   It’s not a glue, and for through bolted deck hardware you do not need a glue.

#6   You can easily remove hardware previously bedded with Bed-It Tape without destroying your decks or involving countless hours of clean up.

#7   Bed-It Tape is specifically formulated to resist cold flow or creep once properly tightened.

#8 More than 100,000 rolls of Bed-It Tape have been sold and shipped word-wide since 2009!

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The Original Butyl at 29 Years Old

As I mentioned a quality butyl tape is VERY, VERY flexible. This photo represents well over 1000% elongation of the original squished thickness and this pre-EPA butyl is still stretching and much of it has not yet failed.

You will also notice that it is still perfectly adhered to the deck and the cleat and never let go of either despite its very low 10-20 PSI bond strength, when compared to some polyurethanes gelcoat destroying 700 +/- PSI adhesion.

Butyl tape also cleans up easily. Remove the fitting and clean the surface with mineral spirits and a rag. That’s it!

Because butyl can be softened with mineral spirits the one place I won’t use it is on fuel fills or fuel vents. If you normally clean your decks with potent solvents, doubtful, then just be careful around the butyl bedded hardware.

No Leaks After 29 Years! Bone Dry Core!

Here is a look at the below deck view of that cleat pictured above.

This cleat had been bedded 29 years prior to this photo with a pre-EPA butyl, and frustratingly, with no beveling of the holes.

Despite the lack of countersinking/beveling it was used for 29 years with this vessel covering over 50k+ nautical miles. A premium butyl makes an exceptional sealant and the deck, even after 29 years and 50k+ miles, was still 100% bone dry, not delaminated and confirmed dry with a moisture meter and soundings.

You can see the pure white core and no signs of moisture damage.

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No Signs of Leaking at 29 Years!

Anyone who has been around boats for a long time knows what the back side of a deck looks like when the backing plates come off and the fitting has been leaking.

Butyl tape, a deck cleat that sees tremendous loads, no countersinking and yet 29 years of service later and BONE DRY! No rust, no brown goo, no signs of any leakage.

I re-bedded much of our 2005 Catalina in 2006 and the vessel already had multiple deck fitting leaks. This was a BRAND NEW BOAT!!! Properly installed marine butyl tape, in my humble opinion, is a superior deck sealant than any of the polysulfides or polyurethanes currently marketed for most applications.

Any of them, butyl, polysulfide or polyurethane etc. will all work very, very well if properly installed. IF PROPERLY INSTALLED being the key words.

All deck hardware will eventually need re-bedding, no matter how good your sealant is. Why make things more difficult than they have to be in the future by using Satan’s Glue (AKA 5200) that can have as much as a 700 PSI bond strength? Why do this when a product with just 10-20 PSI will achieve the same, and often better, results or outcomes?

It is good to keep in mind that 5200 can actually bond to the gelcoat more strongly than the gelcoat is bonded to the fiberglass substrate. Unnecessary bond strength? Absolutely! The Satan’s Glue marketing mavens have probably driven millions of dollars in repair revenue for boat yards.

They have even spawned & supported an entire business sector dedicated to selling polyurethane/ 3M 5200 removal products! Again, this is absolutely ridiculous. This level of adhesion for THROUGH BOLTED deck hardware is 100% unnecessary.

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Genoa Track At 31 Years Old

Just one last bit of evidence as to why I prefer butyl tape for deck hardware over Devil’s Glue or its extended family of misfit relatives.

EDIT – 2/19/2013: These genoa tracks are still bone dry having not yet been re-bedded since this boat left the factory in 1979!

This is the genoa track on our CS-36T as photographed at year 31. The track is still bedded with the original butyl tape she left the factory with in 1979. The track 31 years later was still BONE DRY, does not leak and has not leaked, ever, in 31 years and 50,000+ nautical miles. We run a 150 genoa most of the year, just as the previous owner did, so this track sees some heavy loads.

I’ve seen some 4 year old boats bedded with Devils Glue or its relatives dripping wet with rust stained bolts and wet core at year four and sometimes earlier.

Oh and this genoa track was installed without countersinking the holes. Just an aluminum genoa track bedded with butyl tape in 1979. Bevel the holes and it will probably go 70 years without a leak.. (wink)

Removing the Old Hardware

Just a quick tip on removing hardware. A cordless impact driver can make short one person work at removing the nuts on the inside of the boat.

For stanchions and other hardware I often re-install them with hex head bolts rather than Phillips or slot headed screws. This allows me to tape a wrench to the deck using Gorilla Tape to keep it from moving then hit the inside with the impact driver, wrench or socket wrench. If you use the impact driver to re-install pleas DO NOT over do it. These tools are powerful and fast. I would advise against the use of one for re-installing the hardware until you know you are competent with it.

Impact drivers work via hundreds of rapid fire quick impacts or beats per minute sort of like a machine gun. These small, short, very fast beats or impacts will almost always break a nut free from one side without even using a wrench or screw driver on deck.

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The Impact Driver

This is one of my impact drivers, it’s a cheap Ryobi and does the job. While I much prefer the quality & torque of a Li-ion powered Makita, Bosch, Hitachi or other premium brand I won’t lose sleep if I hand this one off to Davey Jones and that kind of power is just not necessary here.

Filling Holes With Screws

One last trick. We’ve all removed old hardware from a boat only to be left with a hole in the fiberglass. You can try to patch it with gelcoat, and may succeed, or you may make it worse if you’re not well versed in gelcoat repair. Here’s a quicker way to get back to boating.

Simply countersink the hole then use a truss head machine screw, or your preferred style, and butyl tape to cover & seal the hole. Truss head machine screws are available from most nut and bolt suppliers like Fastenal. Truss head machine screws have a much wider and lower profile head than a pan head machine screw. The truss head machine screws lend themselves well to plugging old holes with butyl tape..

First make a butyl cone around the head.

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Different Machine Screw Heads

Choose your weapon. I prefer the truss heads as I feel they seal better and will have less potential for leaking. They are also very low profile..

Butyl Cone Wrap

Clean the surface and insert the butyl wrapped machine screw.

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Cone Fits Into Countersunk/Beveled Hole

You can see the cone fitting nicely into the beveled hole.

After Tightening

Have one person hold the screw head with a screw driver to keep it from spinning then go below and install the nut and washer and tighten it down.

Best Practices For Bedding Deck Hardware:

SEALANT ON DECK – Do not use sealant on the inside of the deck. If it leaks you WANT to know about it. By sealing the backing plate side or the inside of the boat you will force the water into the core, if not sealed. You can also cause any trapped water to become starved of oxygen. This can lead to pitting or crevice corrosion of the stainless bolts potentially leading to a catastrophic bolt failure. Only seal the deck side!

TIGHTEN ONCE (tube-type caulks) – If you use tube-type sealant please don’t listen to that old wives tale about letting sealant cure and then tightening it a second time. The second step in that process is waiting for the sealant to change consistency. With butyl, or a marine sealant, done with countersinking, there is no need to wait for a change in consistency.

While in “theory” this sounds all warm and fuzzy, and can work if done well, the raw reality is this is often a disaster waiting to happen because it’s rarely done well because you;d need to be a psychic to predict the rate of cure.

With a marine butyl tape you tighten in until it stops oozing, then you are done. This may take multiple small tightening events for the butyl to displace but there is no worry about it becoming hard… Be patient and don’t try this in one step. With tube types there are just too many variables that can change the outcome with the “two-step” method. It has perhaps been the cause of more deck leaks than if you were to use Swiss Cheese to bed your fittings, and I strongly suspect Swiss cheese might actually work better, if counter sunk. (wink)

I have had my moisture meter & sounding hammer on lots of DIY and “professionally” done “tighten twice” boats and there is huge correlation to “tighten twice” and wet decks, huge. Of course a marine butyl eliminates most of these issues.

SILICONE USE – Avoid silicone where you can. There are only two situations where silicone should be used and that is for bedding acrylic dead lights or plastic fittings that are damaged by polysulfides or polyurethanes such as Beckson products. Dow 795 or similar should be used for acrylic ports/dead lights.

Silicone contamination of gelcoat is very, very real. It is nearly impossible to clean and remove silicone from gelcoat. Auto body products intended for metal are not generally safe for gelcoat. To effectively remove silicone from gelcoat requires judicious manual cleaning then wet sanding rinsing the paper frequently to clear it of silicone traces so you don’t grind it deeper into the gelcoat. To test if the silicone is gone spray the area with a misting bottle of water. If the water beads it is not clean.

A customer owned a mid eighties Catalina where the previous owner had used silicone to bed the chain plates. Even after re-bedding they leaked every year for four years straight. He had even resorted to tenacious glues like 3M 5200, still it leaked. He finally called me to discuss it and we simply masked off the surrounding areas with 3M film tape and ground and sanded away the silicone contamination. The chain plates have been dry since, lesson learned the silicone must be COMPLETELY removed before any re-bedding.

If you think you’ve cleaned dry silicone with Acetone, De-Bond or any of the other products folks claim have worked guess again. Over many years I have tried & tested every chemical under the sun to remove silicone contamination and the only thing that works is a thorough manual cleaning and sanding.

I also have many THOUSANDS of dollars invested in developing a marine safe (AwlGrip, AwlCraft 2000, Alexseal & gelcoat safe) silicone remover. None have worked well enough for me to sell to you and put my name on! If you want to nearly ensure that the fitting will leak the next time you re-bed then using silicone is a good way to ensure it.

CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN – When bedding hardware clean everything. The deck the hardware the bolts the heads of the bolts etc.. Bolts especially still have cutting oils and residue from machining on them so if you want a good seal clean, clean, clean….

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After hundreds of requests for a high quality marine grade bedding tape I finally completed testing with my lab and came up with a tremendous formulation. Due to EPA regulations the good stuff, from 30-40 years ago, is long gone. To try and develop a tape to survive the long term in the marine environment, like the old stuff, was not an easy task and took months of testing. It took months of round after round, going back and forth with my lab, and we finally got it right. Bed-It Tape is gray in color, 1/16″ thick and 1/2″ wide and comes in a 50′ roll. It is the perfect consistency & width for bedding deck hardware. It can be stacked to increase thickness and laid side by side for wider widths.

Bed-It Tape is not what you’ll get from an RV supplier or builders supply. Bed-It Tape was developed to be a marine specific non-curing elastomeric sealant. Despite my liberal use of the word “butyl”, throughout this article, Bed-It Tape is not really a butyl tape. While butyl rubber is a main ingredient, it is the chemicals added to Bed-It that give it its performance characteristics.

Because I was able to test & formulate specifically for a marine bedding application Bed-It Tape has; wider temp ranges, better chemical resistance, less cold-flow/creep, high re-bound memory and better flex-before-failure performance.

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Understanding The Moisture Meter https://marinehowto.com/understanding-the-moisture-meter/ Wed, 04 Mar 2015 03:27:44 +0000 http://beneriksen.com/MHT/?p=11573 The Electrophysics CT-33 Moisture Meter I've always been a big proponent of boat owners, and more importantly boat buyers, owning a moisture meter. I don't suggest this because I want every DIY boater to think they are a surveyor, or to try and circumvent the surveying process, that [...]

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The Electrophysics CT-33 Moisture Meter

I’ve always been a big proponent of boat owners, and more importantly boat buyers, owning a moisture meter. I don’t suggest this because I want every DIY boater to think they are a surveyor, or to try and circumvent the surveying process, that is not my point at all. I suggest it because in all seriousness the meter above paid for its self the first time I used it to rule out just one boat. Essentially, a survey for 30+ footer can run $600.00 or more these days and whether or not the boat passes you pay the surveyor the $600.00+.

More often than not you find a boat and it looks great on paper and on Yachtworld.com. You then meet the broker, bring your spouse and you both get an extreme case of boat buyers lust. “She’s just perfect!” Your heart gets racing and you begin to imagine how much fun it will be to own her. But wait a minute, she looks great on the surface but what’s underneath? Is she in need of hidden big $$$ repairs?

Any good and reputable broker should offer to bring along a moisture meter, if not just ask. Sadly though many less helpful or thorough brokers claim they don’t have one or don’t know how to use one. More often than not they don’t actually own one. This to me is like going to a family practice doc who does not own a stethoscope. If this is the case … well.. your choice? I know many good brokers, who have meters, and who go over the deck and cored hull before even listing a boat. Ask all the questions! If you don’t ask them, you won’t get any answers.

So what can you do to protect your self from paying for surveys on boats with saturated decks or hull core? Buy an Electrophysics CT-33, or its sister meter the J.R. Overseas GRP-33, read this blog and the manual, do a Google search of “moisture meters for fiberglass” and then go for it.

When we bought our current boat I looked at over 50 boats, meter in hand. It did not take me long to rule many of them out due to severe moisture issues. Many times I would not even involve the broker and instead would do a drive by, find a ladder, and at least circle the chain plates and deck fittings near the rail. I don’t suggest boarding any boat without a broker, I didn’t just leaned the ladder up and did some cursory checking, I have been able to rule out many boats this way without wasting a brokers time. Heck on many “drive by’s” I never even had to get out of the car! I saw some nice boats and some basket cases but unfortunately some had some really hidden deck problems even though they were in good cosmetic condition.

The CT-33 is sold by Electrophysics in Canada currently sells for $160.00 and you’ll need a calibration block for another $10.00. The US distributor, J.R. Overseas, has an exclusive deal for all US sales and they sell a meter that is slightly altered, has different scale graphics but that is essentially a very similar meter. The J.R. Overseas GRP-33 sells for $325.00. The CT-33 sells for less.

Electrophysics CT-33 (LINK)

This photo shows the first thing to do when you turn it on. Simply flip it on and hold it vertically in mid air. The needle should read zero. This is an initial calibrations check.

Please DO NOT buy a moisture meter if your intent is to circumvent the survey process. To master the use of one takes time and should be used with soundings, something many DIY’s don’t have the ear for and other measures to cross check the moisture meters findings.. Using one to rule in boats that may be a good candidate for a survey or to rule out boats that have a pegged meter all over is fine and can save you money.

CT-33, Copper Plated Calibration Block & Acrylic Spacer

In this photo you can see the meter the copper faced calibration block and the acrylic spacer. These two items are used to calibrate the device. Though you will likely never need to calibrate it, the check takes just a few seconds to confirm the calibration is within spec.

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Copper Calibration Block

In this photo the calibration block is laying with the copper face down and away from the meter. This face down orientation is what you use when checking the calibration

Calibration Plate & Spacer

Next the acrylic spacer is placed over the calibration block and it’s ready for you to set the meter on. The meter can’t see beyond the copper so it does not really matter where you set it to check the calibration. You can even set it on a saturated deck if you wish..

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Testing The Calibration

When the meter is placed atop the spacer and copper faced calibration block the meter should read exactly 14%. My camera was slightly off center but the meter does read spot on when you are directly over it.

So if the meter reads zero when holding it in mid air and 14% when placed atop the calibration block and spacer it’s ready to use and in perfect calibration.

Test Panel & Meter

In order to display how the meter works I chose to use a known dry chunk of deck skin I had lying around. The deck skin is made of sandwiched balsa and is quite typical of most hull and or deck construction. This piece actually came off of a Maine built Downeast style boat but sandwiched balsa is fairly straight forward stuff.

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Meter Reading of Dry Test Panel

Now I know what you’re probably thinking “it’s already wet”? If you thought that you’d be wrong. This 6% reading is actually about as bone dry as you’ll ever get on either solid or cored fiberglass using the CT-33. Using this meter any reading between 0% & 15% is considered dry on fiberglass.

Remember this meter is primarily designed for the many different species of wood. It may also be used on man made materials such as fiberglass. You’ll need to reference the scale found at the end of this page for fiberglass interpretations/translations.

Contrary to popular belief moisture meters don’t actually read moisture. They actually read capacitance. This capacitance reading is then transposed, onto the analog display, into a relative moisture reading.

Meters Read Metals !

In this picture I am holding a piece of metal up against the underside of the simulated deck/hull. As you can see the reading has gone from 6% up to 7.5%. This cored deck piece is a little over 3/4″ thick and still the meter picked up the metal. If the deck were thinner the reading would have been higher.

It is very, very important to know what is under the deck before taking a reading and the approximate thickness. Some new boats, from builders like Catalina & Hunter, utilize aluminum plates glassed into the deck beneath winches, stanchions and other deck hardware. These aluminum insertions will cause wet looking readings as they are only about 1/4″ deep at best. Large backing plates can also throw off readings so please do your best to look inside and to be sure your not reading metals through the deck.

This meter is designed to read approximately .5″ deep but as you can see it will still, just barely, see a piece of metal at 3/4″ depth. This is a good thing especially on cored hulls. Why? Well for one meters will read the copper in bottom paint as moisture so you can’t use one over bottom paint.

Secondarily any hull that has recently been hauled will have rather high moisture readings. If the hull is cored, and close to 3/4 of an inch thick, the exterior paint won’t throw off the meter by much and you’ll be able to take moisture readings from inside. This is why it is best to go around thru-hulls from the inside not outside. On solid glass hulls I would not bother metering and would suggest focusing your efforts on the deck and bulkheads. If everything else checks out, namely deck and bulkheads, bring in your surveyor to do a full bottom examination.

One other area for potential high misreading could be a gelcoat with a high metals content. Some gelcoat manufacturers use titanium dioxide as a coloring/pigment agent and in some cases it can throw the meter off. If you get consistently high readings on a gelcoat find a known dry area and take a baseline reading to compare against.

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Reading 5/8″ Solid Fiberglass

Here is a piece of 5/8″ solid fiberglass I laid up to cut thru-hull backing plates from. It is bone dry and has never left my shop or been wet other than atmospheric moisture. As you can see it reads a little over 8%.

Different materials can have different readings. This piece of known dry 5/8″ solid glass actually reads slightly higher than a dry sandwiched balsa core. Both of these chunks have been sitting in my shop for well over two years, stored right next to each other, so the environmental controls were identical. No need to worry though as any reading on fiberglass between 0% & 15% is considered dry with the CT-33..

Water Mist Sprayed Onto Surface

I wanted to illustrate just how sensitive these meter are and to impress upon potential meter owners why the deck surface must be bone dry before using a moisture meter.

I simply used a misting bottle of water and sprayed the surface of the cored deck chunk to simulate dew or rain. I then used a terry cloth towel in an attempt to dry the surface before taking a reading. It was clearly insufficient.

Water Mist Sprayed Onto Surface

I wanted to illustrate just how sensitive these meter are and to impress upon potential meter owners why the deck surface MUST be BONE dry before using a moisture meter.

I simply used a misting bottle of water and sprayed the surface of the cored deck chunk to simulate dew or rain. I then used a terry cloth towel in an attempt to dry the surface before taking a reading.

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Residual Deck Surface Moisture

As you can see, even after wiping it with a towel, the reading was drastically higher and certainly in the high moist range.

Please do not use a meter on any deck or interior hull sections that have dew, condensation or where it has recently rained. If you must take a reading after a rain or dew use a rag dampened with either Acetone or Denatured Alcohol to ensure the surface is bone dry before taking a reading. I still suggest waiting if at all possible. I only suggest Acetone with the utmost caution. Please do not use Acetone on a boat you don’t yet own. This is especially true if you have even the slightest concern it is a painted finish. Never use Acetone on a painted surface.

Acetone drys surface moisture faster than Denatured Alcohol but both work. I suggest the latter and a little more patience as it is much safer.

Again, you can not take a reading with even the slightest amount of surface moisture.

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The CT-33 Scale For Fiberglass

This is the scale for translating meter data. It’s is fairly straight forward. The scale on the left is for reading wood, or a wood cored laminate and the scale on the right is for reading solid fiberglass. As you’ll notice a 30% moisture saturation in wood or a cored section is only equal to 3% total absorbed moisture on a solid fiberglass with no core.

Core rot, degradation and the physical failure of the core can begin at about a 20% reading on the CT-33, sometimes sooner, which is in the high moist range. A pegged meter is indicating a moisture content in the core of about 35% or more!! If boats were made out of water this would be one thing but a core, with even close to 35% water content is not a good sign.

Some other important things to remember:

Moisture meters read metals and display it as moisture. If you want to take reading bellow the waterline you’ll need to scrape away bottom paint in order to get an accurate reading. This is a bad idea and best left to your surveyor. If you want to check for core moisture bellow the waterline do it from inside the hull on areas around seacocks etc.. I do not suggest that you use your meter for bellow water applications, with a solid un-cored hull, as these readings can be very misleading and are best left to a pro to interpret.

Moisture meters can not read frozen water. There is no benefit in even bringing your meter to a boat in the dead of winter. Along those same lines if a surveyor says he can survey a boat for you at 20 degrees F and get moisture readings walk away. Temps should be well above freezing, for a while, before even considering moisture readings.

Always find the lowest reading you can on the boat to use as a baseline. Many times on sailboats you’ll find some dry core right above the wind speed & depth gauges if they are mounted on the cabin.

Look for differences in deck moisture readings. Diminishing changes in readings as you move away from a deck fitting are good indicators that the deck is wet around the fitting and that it is leaking or has leaked.

Most every boat has some deck moisture so don;’t be too alarmed at some “moist” readings. Readings in the moist range are certainly areas of concern but I would suggest bringing in a surveyor if you like the boat. If on the other hand the meter is pegged in multiple areas sch as mast bases, chain plates, genny tracks, bulkheads and other high load areas this is a boat that is probably safe to walk away from and continue looking.

Remember this is not for you to become an expert just to prevent you from spending $600.00 needlessly on a basket case boat. A few years ago I knew of a boat that had been surveyed almost ten times in two years on the market. She had wet decks, a saturated rudder and hull core moisture around the thru-hull penetrations. Each time the potential buyer either paid a discounted rate to “buy” the previous survey usually half price but it varies or to have a new one performed. A simple CT-33 purchase for under $200.00 would have saved these buyers some serious money. Each buyer could have ruled this boat out rather quickly with a little knowledge.

If you don’t feel comfortable buying and using a moisture meter by all means please don’t. A little common sense goes a long way and is all that’s necessary. Buying a meter when buying a boat will get you well on your way to saving money on unnecessary surveys.

If the $179.00 price tag (varies with exchange rate) is still killing you it is very easy to sell it when your done by listing it on any of the sailing forums.

How many times do you need to fork over $600.00+ when looking for a boat before you invest in a moisture meter. Don’t laugh I know some who have coughed up close to 2k in the search for a new vessel and the surveyors loved every penny of it.

WARNING: Use of a moisture meter, by a DIY, should only be done to determine if the boat is worthy of  continuing on with a full survey or to track changes in your own vessels decks or hull. This article is not, and was not written, nor intended, as a means for you to replace or circumvent a professional survey. This article is intended to help you use a moisture meter to potentially uncover boats which are clear lemons and separate them from vessels that are worthy of pursuing further.

Bone Dry

This is an example of a bone dry core on a J Boat. Refer to the previous chart for translation.

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High Moist

This is an example of a high moist range reading on an O’Day. This deck is not yet destroyed but any further leaking needs to be curtailed asap or it will be ruined shortly. Because of the critical location, next to a chain plate, this should be attended to and the core removed and repaired sooner rather than later. There are some ares of a boat that you certainly don’t want wet or even high moist.

High Wet

This is an example of a high wet reading on a Tartan 37. This port light has likely been leaking into the decks core. While this moisture is not in an extremely critical location, the genny track is only a few inches away and was reading in the high moist range and that is a critical zone.

A high reading bellow the port light and a moist reading near the genny track leads one to believe the port light is the likely culprit as the moisture diminished the further away you got from the port light. The moisture had traveled a good 7-8″ towards the genny track through capillary action and had even migrated about 12″ fore and aft.

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Utterly Saturated Reading

This is a very bad example of exactly what you don’t want to see, a totally saturated core. This boat lives on a mooring and this is one of the primary mooring cleats. Most would assume there is likely some serious delamination going on and a degrading or degraded core.

When this core was dug into  by the owner it was found to be less damaged than would have been expected based on the reading. It was only dug into after spot soundings indicated some delamination. Meters can read metals and in this case a backing plate so this reading was not as accurate as one would like it to be. This is a prime example of why you need to practice with the meter and confirm what lies beneath.

Remember the degradation and physical rotting of the core begins at around 20% on the CT-33. The longer it has been above 20% the more likely are the odds for a total failure and delamination of the skins but this can still take a very long while. I have seen decks with 25% readings going back 10+ years be taken apart only to find that they were damp, but still very, very structurally sound. Always incorporate spot soundings and core samples before digging into a deck.

Totally Saturated

Here’s is another example of total saturation this time on a C&C. This is a must do fix and this boat is not one I would like to set out to sea on. Remember, the chain plates hold up the mast and the deck is an integral part of the support system for the chain plates. In this case the leak that caused the wet decks had also caused rotting of the bulkhead the chain plate was physically attached to.

This particular boat had moisture in lots of critical places though she looked very presentable. Unfortunately without a meter you’d likely hire a surveyor, based on cosmetics alone, and pay them $600.00 to find this.. Save yourself $400.00 and buy a meter.

If you still don’t feel comfortable using a moisture meter, even after reading this, please do not buy one. If on the other hand you are competent with a wrench, have common sense, enjoy DIY, have the desire to read beyond these pages and do your home work the moisture meter will be a great addition to your boat tool arsenal.

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Saturated Core

This is an example of what a saturated core looks like during the rotting process. If you look ahead of the chisel you can see how the balsa just turns to mush when you touch it with the chisel. This was a deck penetration under a teak hand rail that leaked due to improper bedding.

Saturated Core 2

Here’s another view of a saturated balsa core. As you can see the balsa actually looks wet and you can physically see the moisture.

Please note that this balsa, even in the present condition, still adhered quite well to both the top and bottom deck skins and required a screw driver to pry this square from the rest of the deck. At some point this would have failed but had not yet. Even this wet, the deck was still sounding out with minimal differences in tone. To the untrained ear, without a moisture meter and only a hammer, one might assume this deck was in A1 condition. Soundings & moisture meter can help each other out.

This is a good example of why spot soundings and moisture readings should accompany one another.

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30% Wet Core Reading

This is the adjoining deck section to the photo above with the chisel. As you can see the color of the balsa is telling you how wet it is. If you scrape out this core and compress it between your fingers it drips water like a sponge would.

At this stage of rot (early) the core is still tightly bonded to the skins. If this moisture were allowed to continue the color of the balsa would continue to darken and literally rot away leaving no structural strength.

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Sealing Deck Penetrations To Prevent Core Rot https://marinehowto.com/sealing-deck-penetrations-to-prevent-core-rot/ Wed, 04 Mar 2015 03:27:20 +0000 http://beneriksen.com/MHT/?p=11571 The Epoxy Supplies Most all boats have some sort of "core" in the decks. Whether it's balsa, plywood or some of the foam cores all can eventually absorb water from a leaking deck penetration. A leaking deck, especially with wood cores, can lead to core rot and eventually [...]

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01TheEpoxySupplies

The Epoxy Supplies

Most all boats have some sort of “core” in the decks. Whether it’s balsa, plywood or some of the foam cores all can eventually absorb water from a leaking deck penetration. A leaking deck, especially with wood cores, can lead to core rot and eventually delamination of the deck and loss of structural rigidity.

Sailboats especially can have hundreds of holes drilled into the deck for cleats, stanchions, blocks, winches, genoa tracks or many other mechanically fastened and through bolted or screwed in items.

Unfortunately most builders do not take the time, nor have the patience, to protect the core from moisture. Most builders also fall short in their bedding techniques, choosing in favor of cost cutting measure that you get to deal with a few years beyond the warranty. The “can’t be seen, must not be there” mentality certainly rings true in the category of deck hardware installations.

The re-bedding of deck hardware is a time consuming task but one that can save your five, six or seven figure vessel from loosing 25% to 50% of it’s market value due to saturated and rotted decks.


 There is no method better than potting the holes with thickened epoxy to prevent core damage, if you have core where hardware passes through it. This project  is easy but also quite time consuming. Once done correctly you will never have to worry about water getting into your core again.

These are the epoxy products I often use to pot deck holes. I sometimes use System Three Epoxy products too but for this article I used West System. West System epoxy products are very easy to find and use. I use a #205 hardener #105 resin & Colloidal Silica or “Cabosil” as the filler or thickening agent.

In order to inject the resin into the holes I use the West System syringes.

A Dremel With Remote Wand

A deck core is a sandwich of fiberglass skins laminated to a foam, balsa, synthetic or plywood core. In order to “pot” a hole you must first remove a small amount of core from between the skins. I often read of the “bent nail and drill” for this task but it’s not a pretty or an easy task unless the core is already rotten. I often find myself questioning whether the authors or folks recommending this practice have actually ever tried it, but I digress.

While I have chosen to illustrate this using a balsa core you should be aware that most builders do not use a foam or balsa core directly beneath high load deck hardware. More often than not you’ll be dealing with marine grade plywood under deck fittings. Plywood can handle the compression loads far better than either balsa or foam cores and this is why it’s very often laminated into the deck beneath deck hardware. Plywood, if dry, is a hard core to carve out and is yet one more reason why the bent nail trick is not as easy as some would make it seem.

The easiest way to remove the core from between two skins, that I have found, is with a Dremel. I also advise the use of the magic wand as I like to call it. This flexible Dremel extension gives you artist like finesse and makes the job of removing core material significantly easier. Rotary tools are very inexpensive these days and I can’t imagine owning a boat without one, especially when potting deck core penetrations.

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Brad Point Drill

When drilling into fiberglass the proper tool is a must. This is a brad point drill and it will create a clean, no chip hole in gelcoat provided you use a few tricks.

TIP: The main trick with brad points into gelcoat is to start the drill in reverse. This trick also works well with hole-saws. By starting in reverse it allows the outer cutting edges of the drill to cut cleanly through the gelcoat. Once through the gelcoat you can then switch the drill to forward and complete the hole without chipping any gelcoat off the surface.

Tape For Sealing The Underside of The Deck

This is may favorite marine duct tape. It’s a UV stabilized, white in color, heavy duty duct tape made by Duck brand. It is hard to find but I have found no better duct tape, in white, that is also UV stable for use on a boat.

I use this tape to seal off the underside of the deck. This prevents the epoxy from dripping into the cabin. Gorilla Tape is even better for this as it is even more adhesive.

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Dremel Bit #115

This is one of two bits I use to remove the core. It is a 5/16″ diameter head with a 1/8″ shank. It allows a just right amount of core removal to seal the deck from moisture.

Dremel Bit #654

This is my other favorite bit the Dremel #654. I like this one because most hardware, like stanchions, on 28-42 foot sailboats, is through bolted with 1/4″ X 20 or 5/16″ X 18 thread bolts. The head of this bit is 1/4″ and it fits down into a 1/4″ hole and can then be used to remove core without first over-drilling the top skin to 5/16″.

TIP: I prefer to leave as much of the top and bottom skin in place as is possible. Much of the strength of the deck comes from these skins so leaving them intact when potting a hole is the ta good practice. Leaving the top and bottom skins intact, without over drilling all the way through both skins, leaves you with a captured plug of epoxy that can’t physically pop out or break free as easily as a complete over drill of both skins can. Of course if proper backing plates are used this should not be a issue.

Either method, over-drill or leaving the skins intact, is arguably much better than not sealing the core at all. Don’t fret over the method just chose one and do it before it’s too late.

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Enlarging An Existing Hole

In order to complete this article I used a scrap piece of end grain balsa deck structure. I wanted to use a scrap piece so that I could make cut-a-ways to show the inner workings and what actually happens on the inside of the deck.

Here I’ve drilled three holes;

  • One hole for the #115 bit,
  • One hole for the #654
  • One hole that will remain as 1/4″ with no epoxy fill.

The center hole, as you can see, has been counter sunk. This was originally a 1/4″ hole that I over sized to 5/16″ to make the #115 bit fit into it. Over sizing holes in fiberglass can often result in an “oops” and some serious deck chipping.

TIP: Here’s the trick to over sizing holes:

#1 Countersink/chamfer the hole to just barely beyond the width of the drill you will use for the over sizing, in this case 5/16″. If your countersink bit is new and sharp get in the habit of using reverse, not forward, when countersinking fiberglass. Forward will remove too much material, far too fast, if you are not careful.

#2 Place your brad point drill in the chamfered hole and start in reverse. You will cut through the top skin only and have a nice clean hole. You do however need a brad point drill set. You won’t find them at Home Depot and will find them a Rockler or on line. This is the quickest and cleanest way to bore the top skin without the drill wandering or causing serious gelcoat chipping.

The Bit Fits

As you can see (click the image to make it bigger if you can’t) the 5/16″ head of the Dremel #115 fits into the recess created by the countersink. I have purposely created a little extra room with the countersink to 100% avoid edge chipping.

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Drill For Making Over Sized Hole

Here’s my 5/16″ bit that I used to enlarge the hole on the top skin. Again, do not drill all the way through the deck just drill through the top skin.

A Clean Edged Over Sized Hole

This image shows the 5/16″ over sized hole, and the original 1/4″ hole on the left. The new bigger hole is just as clean, even though there was no center point to start the drill with.

At this point I’ve removed the core with the Dremel and you can see the cavity it created, if you blow up the photo and look close.

When using the Dremel to rout the core away make it a practice to insert the head of the bit into the deck before turning it on. Once turned on use the bits shaft as a guide and work your way around the hole moving up and down and around the circumference of the deck hole to clean the core material from the the skins and make a nice, even, round cavity for the epoxy to seal the deck. Make a few passes and suck any dust out with a shop vac. It takes all of about 10-20 seconds, per hole, once you’re prepped and ready for it..

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Bottom Holes

This photo illustrates that all the holes below deck are still 1/4″ even though the middle hole has a 5/16″ diameter on the decks surface. This leaves as much of the deck skins intact is as humanly possible.

Mix Epoxy

Now that the core has been routed out with the #115 & #654 bits it’s time to mix some epoxy.

West Systems, and most others, use metered pumps to make mixing about as easy as it gets. Until you get good at it I don’t recommend using partial pumps. Use full pump strokes for the proper mix ratio. The mixing ratio for West System is one full pump stroke of hardener to one full pump stroke of resin. You will have about 20 minutes of pot life using the 105 resin and 205 hardener at temps in the low to mid sixties, which is plenty. At room temp, 72 degrees, you’ll have 9-12 minutes of workable pot life.

Epoxies kick off faster when it’s warm and slower when cold. If working in colder conditions remember that it will become more viscous and tougher to work with especially when you need it less viscous to fill deck holes.. For more info on using West System epoxy visit their great and informative web site.

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13InjectNon-ThickenedEpoxyFirst

Inject Non-Thickened Epoxy First

I know I said “thickened epoxy“, and we’ll get there, but first it’s a good idea to inject clear mixed non-thickened epoxy into each hole. By doing this you allow the less viscous, resin only, without thickener, to penetrate the surface pores of the core. this creates a better and stronger final bond.

In order to do this I inject straight mixed epoxy into each hole with a syringe. I then let it sit in each hole for about 3-4 minutes, suck it back out with the syringe and then squirt it back into the mixing cup where I add Cabosil (colloidal silica) to thicken it.

Mix In The Cabosil

Adding Cabosil, or the thickener of your choice, is easy but you do not want to make it too thick. It ideally needs to drool off the mixing stick in a steady stream. If it goes drip, drip, drip off the mixing stick it’s probably too thick.

Keep in mind that this slightly thickened resin has to fill a hole and let air bubbles escape leaving behind no voids. If you make it too thick you will have bubbles and voids. Not too thin, and not to thick..

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Remove Trapped Air Bubbles

Here I have re-injected the holes with my West System syringe. I did cut about .5 cm off the tip of the syringe which makes the hole bigger to accommodate the more viscous thickened epoxy.

TIP: The green stick you see is simply a piece of weed-whacker line. This is a very simple and cheap tool for popping any trapped air bubbles and aiding in migrating bubbles to the surface so you leave behind any voids.

All you do is move the weed-whacker line in, out and around the hole until you have no more air bubbles rising to the surface.

Tape Off The Deck

In this photo I’ve actually taped off the deck side to show what it will look like. You can use an X-Acto knife or a countersink spun between your fingers to get a clean hole. Taping prevents you from needlessly having to clean up epoxy residue which can be very difficult if not impossible once cured.

You’ll also notice the syringe filled with the thickened epoxy ready to go.

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Wipe It Down

Of course if I were doing this on an actual boat I would have first pre-taped over the holes, like the photo above, & then used my countersink bit between my fingers to remove the tape from the holes. This method protects the deck and the countersink carves out a nice clean hole in the tape.

In this photo I simply used a rag with Acetone to wipe away any over flow. Use tape and it will go much smoother and cleaner. I simply forgot when photographing this..

The Tape Side of the Deck

In this photo the epoxy has cured and I’ve removed the duct tape. It sealed perfectly and was not affected by the curing resin.

TIP: Before applying the tape, wipe the surface clean with acetone or a strong solvent that will remove any grease or wax. The tape will seal and stick better. Gorilla brand duct tape is about the most adhesive you will find and works really well for this particular task.

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#654 Bit – Cut-A-Way of Potted Deck Hole

After I removed the tape I re-drilled each of the holes with my 1/4″ drill and then counter sunk the two holes that had been potted.

This is a picture of the hole I made with the 1/4″ #654 Dremel bit. The hole is clean and precise with plenty of separation between the epoxy and the core. Both the top and bottom holes through the deck skins remained at 1/4″ for a factory original look and feel yet this is much better than how it would have come from the factory.

#115 Bit – Cut-A-Way of Potted Deck Hole

This is the cut-a-way of the hole I cored out with the #115 bit. If you’ll notice the epoxy potting is a little thicker than with the #654 bit. I don’t feel this serves much of a purpose, & both will seal the deck from future moisture, but does require slightly more work in the over sizing of the top hole to 5/16″ or what ever size you choose.

When you re-drill your holes, after filling them with epoxy, try and do a better job than I did of centering your bit over the original hole or your deck hardware might not line up again.

This re-drilled hole is off set to the left a little bit. Please be careful when drilling over sized holes as it makes re-drilling that much more difficult.

TIP: When in doubt for the re-drill mark the center points of all your holes using the deck hardware as a template.

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Explanation of Countersinking

“RC why on Earth do you countersink or chamfer the deck?”

#1 It does a lot to prevent gelcoat crazing. By feathering the edge of the gelcoat, through the use of countersink bit, you are less likely to start a crack or craze mark in the gelcoat.

#2 By creating a bevel or countersunk recess in the surface of the deck the marine sealant or Bed-It Tape has a cavity to fill. Without a bevel the hardware would compress the sealant to about 1/64th of an inch thick after the fasteners are tightened. Marine sealants do have some flexibility but not as much as you would guess.

Follow me for a moment:

Let’s say you have a marine sealant that has a rating of 400% elongation before break on a 1/64″ thick joint. Doing the math shows us that 400% of 1/64″ is only 1/16″ of total allowable joint movement before a joint failure or leak starts. In the case of a stanchion base 1/16″ is not much allowable movement before a sealant failure.

By countersinking around the bolt holes you’ll increase the maximum thickness of the sealant, at the bevel, to roughly a 3/32″ depth at it’s deepest point. Using the same math as above 3/32″ X 400% gives you a total joint movement before failure of 3/8″. If a mechanically fastened joint is moving 3/8″ you have more problems than just a deck leak. So, 1/16″ allowable movement before failure at 400% without countersinking or 3/8″ allowable movement at 400% before failure with countersinking.

Even a small bevel will drastically increase max allowable movement before a sealant failure. Countersinking to a mere 1/16″ depth will give you 1/4″ total movement around the bolt before failure. You don’t need a deep bevel to make a large difference between a failure and a seal.

#3 Countersinking is really a very simple step and has numerous benefits. For instance, you can install the fitting and tighten it down now with no waiting. This means you can seal deck hardware alone and not wait for a marine sealant to change states or cure.

I am going to inject some strong opinion here so please move on to the next photo if you don’t want to hear it. I would discourage anyone from using the Don Casey “two step“, “wait to tighten and form a gasket” method of bedding deck hardware with a curing marine sealant.

Is this because it can’t or won’t work? Absolutely not? Is it because I don’t like Don Casey? Absolutely not! Don is a great guy and tremendous asset to the boating community. Then why?

In my experience this method is probably one of the leading causes of deck core rot on the planet. This is NOT to say that when done properly it won’t work, just that it is VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY difficult to actually do this properly. Many a DIY and pro have messed this up and ruined decks as a result.

Think about it:

If the sealant cures, to form a gasket, and you then move the bolt while tightening it down on the second step…. You will likely lose. If you create a gasket too thick, it cures, and then you can’t get the mechanically fastened hardware tight enough, against the deck, because of compression resistance, the hardware will move, flex and also fail, so again, you lost the battle.

I mean no disrespect to Mr. Casey, he writes tremendous marine books and articles, but the method he made popular is very difficult to nail down repeatably because cure-rates change with humidity, temp and far too many factors to get a good reliable procedure you can easily repeat.. I have witnessed far too many cases of core rot due to DIY & professionals using a two-step bedding procedure than I would have liked to.

So where did I lean this countersinking method? I learned it from Hinckley Yachts… Sure this extra step takes all of about 30 seconds per stanchion but apparently it’s too much extra work for most production builders.

Stretch….!

In this photo I used Bed-It Tape as a bedding compound, it’s what I use on about 95% of my deck fittings. I loosened the nut and pushed the bolt up to show how much allowable movement can be had with a countersunk hole.

If you look close you’ll see that the outer edges, where the bolt head meets flat deck, the sealant has begun to fail or failed entirely yet the Bed-It Tape, in the countersunk recess, is still stretching and still there. The Bed-It Tape is also still well adhered to the threads from being compressed by the bevel when tightening the bolt.

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Not Much Stretch

This bolt hole has no bevel at the deck level. It was loosened and raised the same amount as the previous bolt, to illustrate how much difference in allowable movement one can attain through the simple step of countersinking.

Another Illustration

Here you can see how the countersunk hole on the right has forced & compressed the Bed-It Tape against the bolt and into the threads creating a great seal. The bolt on the left was not countersunk and has very little sealing surface area around the bolts shank or threads.

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Alternative Methods

This photo represents two other ways of doing the same job. Personally I’m not a huge fan of either one as much as the previously mentioned methods using the Dremel bits.

Why don’t I like these methods as much?

#1 In method #1 I drilled an over sized 1/2″ hole clean through the deck and then filled it with thickened epoxy. By over drilling the entire thickness you have removed the deck skins which are the major structural component in the I-beam. End grain balsa has very little strength along the grain, which is where the epoxy adheres to in an over drill. Picture splitting fire wood. You split with the grain and if flakes off nicely. Epoxy adhered along the grain can do the same.

If you tried to split across the grain or pull balsa apart via the end grain it would be very, very difficult and this is why it is called end grain balsa and why the deck skins are laminated to the end grain not parallel to the grain of the wood.

The areas highlighted in red, the deck skins, are thinner than they appear in this cropped photo, especially on light weight sailboats. In this example your only means of structural support are the circumferential bond between the top and bottom skins as the area in green is very, very weak comparatively speaking and would really rely on the backing plate.

I have seen two failures of total over drills in my life. Theoretically speaking, when used with proper backing plates it should hold but if your balsa is even just moist your entire bond will only be the thin area of the two skins. It should be noted that epoxy does not adhere well to wet core this is why it is critical to seal the deck before it gets wet.

#2 In method #2 I have only over drilled the top skin but left the bottom skin intact. This is stronger than method #1. With the top skin gone it too is less strong than leaving most or all of the top and bottom skins intact and creating a captured plug.

#3 Using either method #1 or #2 leaves you with a larger hole on the UV side of the deck. Some stanchion bases or hardware may not entirely cover the larger hole completely and epoxy does not like UV. This means an additional step of gel coating the repair.

It’s entirely up to you how you seal your decks all I can do is present the pro’s and cons, as I see them. Of these two methods I prefer method #2 but I still prefer the Dremel procedure far and above both methods #1 & #2.

That said ANY of these methods is far superior to not sealing the core off from potential leaks.

Channeling & Voids

In my years working on boats I have yet to see any cut up section of hull or deck, unless made using vacuum bagging/resin infusion or SCRIMP, that does not have some voids in it. I will go so far as to say that I know of no builder, who hand lays a hull or deck, where having no voids is even 100% possible.

Many builders also use thickened resin or “deck putty“, as they often refer to it, on the back side of the hull or deck skin to lay the balsa into during lay up. If this begins to kick, or the balsa in not padded down enough, there will be voids. Voids lead to channeling of epoxy, or water for that matter.

Why do I bring this up?

I took this photo to show what is happening when you fill a hole with epoxy and come back 5 minutes later to find it has settled. No, the epoxy fairy has not wandered off with your epoxy it has channeled into the deck.

The reality is the epoxy has did not in fact settle, unless the tape failed, but rather it has channeled into the kerfs or voids in the balsa or deck putty. If this happens, you’ll need to wait about 30 minutes then mix up another batch to re-fill or top off the holes. Don’t let the epoxy cure entirely or you’ll need to remove the amine blush and this can be a royal pain especially in a small deck hole.

 

Good luck and happy boating!

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Installing Newfound Metals Stainless Portlights https://marinehowto.com/installing-newfound-metals-portlights/ Wed, 04 Mar 2015 03:16:52 +0000 http://beneriksen.com/MHT/?p=11549 New Port Lights For an Older Boat Choosing to install new portlights sounds easy but can be a complicated decision process. There are numerous companies out there building poor products that sell for big money and others building beautiful products that sell for a reasonable amount. My decision [...]

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01Introduction

New Port Lights For an Older Boat

Choosing to install new portlights sounds easy but can be a complicated decision process. There are numerous companies out there building poor products that sell for big money and others building beautiful products that sell for a reasonable amount. My decision involved lots of research and investigation into the minute details of portlight construction. Many of the larger, well known, companies did not stack up when I began to dig into the small details. In the end I chose New Found Metals as my portlight supplier.

This project is not for the boater who barely knows the difference between a Phillips head and a slotted head screw driver and is about a 5-6 on the 1 to 10 complexity scale. The task is straight forward and does not require artist like skills, akin to blending and color matching gelcoat, but this is a long and time consuming task.

Our boat has 8 ports and I figure this project took me a little over 45 hours of time. Hopefully this article will save you some time and you can learn from any my mistakes and use my time saving tips. I figured each port would take about two hours but I was a little off.

I do hope this article helps someone considering new ports or who needs some guidance installing NFM portlights.

As always click on any photo to make it larger. This article is quite long and includes more than 40 photos.

Step 1 – Measuring Exterior Offset

Before you can even order your New Found Metals ports (NFM from here on) you’ll need to know the thickness of your cabin sides. All NFM bolts are metric therefore I used my caliper in metric mode to determine an accurate bolt size.

You need to measure the exterior off set from the widest point of the old port to the cabin sides. To do this I used my adjustable carpenters combination square as in the picture. Once I had the measurement, I locked the set screw.

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Reading Exterior Offset

Before moving on to the next measurement you need to write down your measurement or transpose it, as I did, to my calipers. The exterior offset reading was rounded up to 13.5mm.

The picture shows the accuracy a little bit off but it was hard to hold the caliper and square in one hand and the large Nikon DSLR in the other and keep it perfectly in place..

Measuring Interior Offset

You’ll also need to measure the interior offset. I did not want the gasket compressing under the square, and throwing my reading off, so I removed the gasket/seal on the Beckson ports to get a more accurate reading.

Note the gasket groove or slot on the port and the staining & grime from leaking. I had completely cleaned each of these slots last spring and installed new gaskets, yet a few of these ports continued to leak. I guess plastic, in the marine environment, has a useful lifespan that had been surpassed..

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Reading Interior Offset

Do the same for the interior offset and write this number down. I rounded this up to 9mm.

Measuring Port Total Thickness – Interior View

Now you need the ports total thickness as measured from the widest/thickest point on the interior of the frame to the widest/thickest point on the exterior. I rounded this number to 34mm.

The math is now very easy. Simply add the interior and exterior offset numbers together. It looks like this:

13.5mm + 9mm = 22.5mm

Next, simply subtract the offset totals of 22.5mm from 34mm. It looks like this:

34mm – 22.5mm = 12.5mm

The cabin sides of the boat were roughly 12.5mm thick which translates to 0.4921 or roughly 1/2″.

This hull thickness is the number NFM will use so they can calculate your total bolt length for you. It is very important to know this number before placing your order as it will save lots of time later. Physically cutting eight + bolts per port would be a tedious and time consuming task.

On a cabin with solid fiberglass sides, as this boat is, you will probably want to order interior teak spacers or the spigot will protrude further than necessary.

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Measuring Port Total Thickness – Exterior View

You can see the caliper clamped to the widest point of the port in this exterior view.

Trim Ring Thread Depth

I had this metric bolt kicking around and decided to illustrated why proper cabin thickness is a must. I inserted the bolt until it bottomed out then wrapped some Teflon tape around it and backed it out.

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Actual Depth

My caliper shows this hole at 7/16 but most of the others were 5/16 just as NFM says they are. Plan on a quarter inch of room, as a safety margin, and you’ll be fine. This bolt depth measurement obstacle is a bit tedious but it prevents any screws from being visible on the out side of the portlights. It also minimizes the chance of leaks by having less exposed holes in the trim ring..

The Old Ports

As you can see these ports were not very attractive. To make matters worse the barrel nuts used to hold the trim rings on were chrome plated brass not stainless. I’m guessing stainless barrel nuts were not available back in 1979..

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Step 2 – Removing The Old Ports

Lucky for me, the Beckson ports had been installed with butyl tape and a double sided foam weather stripping, and not one of the high tenacity polyurethane sealants like 3M 5200. All I needed was to pry the trim rings off the cabin sides and then apply a constant pressure to slowly stretch the butyl and remove the ports. keep in mind these ports were installed in 1979 and this boat has been nearly all the way around the world and back. Interestingly enough it was the Beckson gaskets that had been leaking and not the butyl tape.

For removal of the trim rings I used a heavy duty putty knife. Prior to using this putty knife that I have softened / dulled the sharp edges so I would not scratch the cabin sides.

If your ports were installed with 3M 5200 please be very, very careful removing them. The tensile strength of 5200 is anywhere from 40-700+ PSI and the fiberglass to gelcoat bond is roughly 400-500 PSI. If you are not careful and you try to force the ports off the boat you can literally tear the gelcoat clean off the substrate.

In my opinion, garnered over many years of removing this stuff, 3M 5200 has no place being used to hold a portlight into a boat! Use products like 3M 5200 at your own risk..

If you’re at a loss with 5200 you can try using products such as De-Bond to soften it. Sometimes heat will help to soften the 5200 too but do be careful using heat guns. They can burn the gelcoat if not used carefully and kept moving at all times.

30 Year Old Butyl Tape – Still Very Flexible

For those who doubt the utility of premium marine grade butyl-based  tape on boats, such as Bed-It Tape, and who chose to use polyurethane products such as 5200, for installing ports, this photos speaks for itself.

As you can see, after nearly 30 years the pre-EPA butyl tape still had elongation before break of more than 2000% at a minimum. The butyl tape on all 8 ports never failed and all the leaks were from the Beckson port gaskets, even after replacements had been installed.

I also had a couple of fasteners, that went through the foam weather stripping gasket used on the trim ring (not butyl), also leak. Pre EPA change butyl tape was excellent. Today, the only comparable product to what was used on this vessel is Bed-It Tape.

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Clean Up The Surface

To clean up the residue I used my boat chisel. My boat chisel has been tuned to minimize scratching the surface. If you’re not skilled in the use of a chisel or dulling or sharpening them the right amount, find another way of removing the vast amount of sealant or you could scratch your hull.

Once I had the majority of the surface clean I used mineral spirits, it works well on butyl.I then followed up with Acetone, wearing chemical resistant gloves, to do a final cleaning.

Step 3 (optional) – Cabin Side Compounding

While you have your ports out you may want to take the time to compound and polish the cabin sides. It’s much easier without the ports getting in the way. I simply used Gorilla tape on the inside of the cabin to seal off the port openings then buffed away.

For the compounding phase I used a Makita 9227C buffer at 600-1500 RPM, Presta Ultra Cutting Creme compound and a 3M compounding grade pad part #05711.

For the polishing phase I used a Makita 9227C buffer at 600-1500 RPM and Presta Chroma 1500 polish with the blue wool Presta polishing grade pad.

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Taping Off The Inside

Here’s the Gorilla Tape (duct tape) I used when compounding the cabin sides to prevent any messes inside the boat..

Polishing The Cabin Sides – Before & After

There’s no doubt it’s well worth it to take this extra step. While it takes a bit of work the 30 year old gelcoat came right back to life.

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Temporary Duct Tape To Cover The Openings

TIP: This is for keeping your boat dry while the work is in process. I chose to remove all the old ports then prep, cut, drill, chamfer and bore the openings all at the same time but needed a way to keep the boat dry as I was going through the installation process.

I have been using Gorilla Tape, from the makers of Gorilla Glue, and it is far and away the finest duct tape I have found for this. It’s thick, does not leave much if any residue, and sticks tenaciously to just about anything.

To seal the port openings, until you can install the ports, start at the bottom of the port opening and work your way up like clapboards on a house overlapping each seam by about 1/2″. If you worked your way down water will get in but if you tape from the bottom up the seams over lap so they don’t drain into one another.

Even though the boat was covered I didn’t want to take any chances, and yes Gorilla Tape will keep rain out.

Why I Needed to Replace These Ports

After 30 years the plastic had become quite brittle and many of my hinges looked like this or worse. I won’t have to worry about the NFM cast stainless steel ports degrading or becoming brittle..  Unlike plastic, 316 stainless steel is not negatively effected by UV..

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Why I Needed to Replace These Ports #2

As I said some were worse.. This hinge literally crumbled apart after I removed the port. In defense of Beckson these plastic ports lasted about 30 years, but ideally should have been replaced about ten years ago.

These Beckson ports were no longer safe for any sort off-shore sailing. One big wave surely could have broken them, in the brittle state they were in, and allowed the boat to take on green water.

Phase 4 – NFM 4X14 Template With Drill Guides

This is the actual template from NFM. They charge you for it but when you return it they will credit back your $90.00.

TIP: Installing new ports without the NFM jig is a penny wise and pound foolish move. Do yourself a favor and use the jig!

These templates are very heavily made and feature built in drill guides. The guides make drilling straight holes, through angled cabin sides, very easy. I’ve included a pen in the photo to show how robust these jigs really are.

IMPORTANT: Please plan ahead when buying from NFM, they often run out of jigs. I waited nearly 5 months to get one and I came very close to not buying NFM ports because of this.

If you do use a template please send it back when you’re done so others don’t have to wait eons to get one.

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Step 5 – Template/Jig & Hull

For this step I needed to cut the openings for the NFM ports slightly larger than the Beckson’s had been. The new opening also needed to accommodate for the portlight spigot. I used the NFM template (shown in the previous photo). As I mentioned earlier this is really a should have item for this job.

To cut the openings I chose to use the NFM template as my router guide and use my Ryobi laminate trimmer with a bearing guided flush cut bit. Using a jig saw, hand saw or sanding drums just seemed like an awful lot of work, though some have actually done it this way.

This photo shows the template clamped to the inside of the cabin sides.

Cutting The New Port Openings

TIP: In order to work the laminate trimmer around the entire port opening you’ll need to move the clamps as you go. Just cut a section then move the clamps. I was able to cut an entire port with only three clamp moves and the template stayed put. The more clamps you use the less risk you will have of the jig moving.

As evidenced by the photo, using the flush cut bit and the NFM template as a guide, leaves a perfect cut that was smoother and cleaner than the original factory cut openings..

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Vacuum Tip

I know this has nothing to do with NFM portlights but the little Rigid 6 Gallon wet dry vacuum, from Home Depot, at $39.00 is a great investment for working on your boat. I actually got rid of my big shop vacs and now have three of these little 6 gallon models. One for the barn, one for the garage and one for working on boats. It’s tiny, powerful and easy to lug up and down ladders.

TIP: I generally ditch the hoses that come with shop vac’s and visit a local vacuum shop for an adapter and about 20 feet of central vac hose. This makes using a cumbersome shop vac a pleasure. The home attachments are better too. The horse hair brush (pictured) is one of my favorites. Within 25 minutes I had totally cleaned the interior of all the routing dust with the horse hair brush and the central vacuum hose. It’s a handy little combo for sure.

My Ryobi Laminate Trimmer / Flush Cut Bit

Here’s a close up of a laminate trimmer. The base of my Porter Cable router was just a bit large for cutting these port openings and a battery operated laminate trimmer was better suited to this awkward task.

Unless you have lots of flat cabin side real estate on your particular boat I would suggest using a laminate trimmer as opposed to a router. The base of a laminate trimmer is nice and small and it works very well in tight spaces. The cabin liner on the inside of the boat interfered with the laminate trimmer base and this is why I chose to cut from the outside.

Once adjusted for proper depth of cut the guide bearing rides along the surface of the template and the blade cuts the fiberglass. It’s quick easy and neat, but not clean.

I advise having a shop vac on board for this job. No matter how you try and contain the dust it makes a mess.

TIP: Remove your interior cushions before doing this job or mask off the interior with plastic.

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The Laminate Trimmer

This little battery operated laminate trimmer was a $49.00 bargain. As a marine business we own lots of heavy-duty professional grade tools from Hitachi, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, Makita & DeWalt but I often find my self reaching for this inexpensive Ryobi. This article was even written well before Li-Ion batteries came out and this little trimmer worked well even without a Li-Ion battery.

I have yet to kill one of these budget level tools, and I actually use some of the Ryobi stuff professionally.

Whether you chose to use a Ryobi, DeWalt, Hitachi, Bosch etc. a small laminate trimmer, vs. a router, is the way to go.

Ready To Bore The Holes

This photo shows the completed port opening after moving the clamps to complete the full circle. It matches the Template perfectly.

Once the opening is cut leave the template in place and use the built in drill guides to drill the 8 3/8″ trim ring holes. You will notice in the picture that I have drilled, from the inside, while the template was still in place, many of the eight 3/8 inch trim ring holes.

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The NFM $29.00 Counter Bore Is Worth It

Once you’ve drilled the 3/8″ holes you’ll need to counter bore into the cabin side exterior 1/2″ deep to accommodate the bolt studs on the trim ring. My cabin sides were 1/2 inch deep so I had to go all the way through, which is fine.

The NFM counter bore has a 3/8″ guide pin, to match the previous 3/8″ holes you drilled, and it bores it out to 5/8″. It is well worth the $29.00 and is a very high quality & clean cutting tool.

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45 Degree Bearing Guided Chamfer/Bevel Bit

Having learned the art of bedding fittings from some of the guys at Hinckley Yachts I believe in the bevel/chamfer and tighten once method for most things. I don’t generally subscribe to the “tighten over a few days to create a gasket” method.

Beveling the edges of the holes does a few things:

  • 1)It forces bedding compounds into the hole, like a funnel, as you tighten the fitting.
  • It creates an o-ring of sealant that is about 6-8 times the thickness of what would be there without a bevel.
  • It allows you to tighten the fitting all the way down without coming back days later to do so which can break the seal that has already cured around the bolts threads.
  • It creates a surface area that forces sealant against and around the bolts threads or shank.
  • It prevents gelcoat crazing and checking around the bolt holes.

To use the bevel method for the ports I again used a laminate trimmer and a 45 degree bearing guided bevel/chamfer router bit. The router bits guide bearing fits in the 5/8″ hole so I used the laminate trimmer for those holes too.

On these ports, using the butyl, it is very, very difficult to tighten them down all the way at once. I tightened the ports over two days, which is short enough so my polysulfide sealant did not fully harden, but long enough to fully compress the butyl.

IMPORTANT: I differ from the NFM instructions on this particular procedure. NFM says to tighten over a few days letting the sealant harden to form a “gasket”. Here is my explanation of why I do it the way I do:

I’ve been bedding fittings, tighten once or before the bedding is dry, this way for a very long time and never once had a re-leak. The idea that tightening a fitting all the way down squeezes out all the sealant is just not true. Take for example the aluminum valve cover on the Volvo 5 cylinder engine used in the V-70 series and others. This valve cover uses no gasket and only a thin layer of Permatex (Silicone) is required to seal it. You apply the Permatex, install the valve cover, and torques the bolts. Valve cover gaskets are under positive crank case pressure and deck fittings or ports are not.

I have used the above method (bevel then tighten at once) on underwater fittings as well and still never had a leak. It’s your choice as to how you seal your ports and I’m merely telling you how I differ from the manufacturer on this one point.

EDIT: If I had to do this job over again I would not use the NFM black butyl tape. I would instead use Bed-It Tape which is gray and is formulated not to “bleed” or do what is called “cold flow”. Using Bed-It Tape will completely eliminate the need to use both a sealant and a tape. The light-gray color of Bed-It Tape is far less messy than the black tape from NFM and it does not stain.  Bed-It Tape is also specifically formulated to resist cold flow or creep in warm temps. Bed-It Tape was specifically formulated for bedding marine deck hardware, after this article was written back in 2005. Bed-It Tape offers a wider working temp range, has much less propensity for cold flow or creep/bleeding, has a higher level of chemical resistance and more elongation before failure than cheap “butyl tapes”.

Depth Of Chamfer/Bevel

This photo shows the depth of the bevel cut. It does not take much to create a good seal..

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The Chamfer / Bevel

Here is a close up of the beveling or chamfering. It runs all the way around the port and around each bolt hole. Every bedded fitting on the entire boat is, or will be, as I get to them, bedded using this method.

Most times I just use a drill and countersink bit but for big holes like this a laminate trimmer is a good option. While that bevel may look big it’s really only about 1/16 of an inch.

Dry Fitting & Leveling The Ports

When I routed the holes using the NFM template I made sure it was line up parallel with the cabin top. Some boats have a large smooth radius cabin top, so you’d need to find a way to measure for level or parallel, but this boat has a nice square, clean edge to work off of.

Before applying the butyl tape I made sure to line up the ports and make sure they were level by using my combination square. Once they were level I tightened down hard on the clamps making sure to use a block of wood on the inside to prevent scratching the port.

This photo shows me checking the right side of the port with the combination square.

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Dry Fitting & Leveling The Ports #2

Checking the left side of the port for level. You can see, when the camera pulls away, how slight the bevel is. It’s there but hard to see in this photo.

IMPORTANT: On a boat with no clear cabin line, for the ports to align with for level, you may need to set up a ladder and back away from the vessel.  Climb the ladder and use the old-school MK I eye ball as your determination of what looks level.

TIP: Click any photo to make it larger.

With Teak Spacer & Without

The port in the foreground of this photo has the teak spacer installed and the port in the distance does not. This is why the spacers are needed on a boat with thin solid glass cabin sides.

The NFM teak spacers are 5/8″ thick and by adding them it left about 1/4″ of the spigot protruding vs. almost one inch without. As they say measure twice, cut once..

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NFM Teak Trim Rings

These are the NFM teak spacers. They run about $40.00 each but are well worth it. Do yourself a favor and do any finish work or varnishing before you install them.

Interior View

This image shows the teak trim ring and the wood blocks I used for clamping and aligning the port.

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Ready For Butyl

In this photo I’m getting ready to level the port and clamp it down in order to begin applying the butyl.

Clean The Port & Trim Ring

In the previous photo I’d already cleaned & prepped the cabin sides. I can’t stress enough how important cleaning and prepping the surface of the boat is and cleaning the ports is also equally & very important.

That rag, in the photo, was white when I began cleaning this port. Just because the ports are brand new does not mean they are clean. I wiped the exterior of the spigot and the hull side of the flange with Acetone and there was plenty of cutting oil and grime to be taken away.

If you don’t properly clean the stainless you’ll run the risk of a leak. These ports are filthy when they arrive so please do clean them with a non-oily solvent of your choice.

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Wrapping The Butyl

EDIT: When this article was written Bed-It Tape did not yet exist. One of the main reason Compass Marine Inc. developed Bed-It Tape was due to the low quality and continual bleeding and staining of the NFM black butyl. The NFM butyl tape is a cheap run-of-the mill butyl formulation.

If I were doing this job today, it would be done using only Bed-It Tape and no marine sealant. Bed-It Tape can be purchased at the link below.

Purchase Bed-It Tape

In this picture I’ve already forced one round of the NFM butyl into the gap and I’m working on my second round. I found a silicone kitchen tool that worked really well for forcing the butyl into the grove without it sticking to the tape.

With the teak spacers it’s very difficult to wrap the ports spigot first, as NFM illustrates in their instructions, before inserting it. Instead, I chose to clamp the port, level it, then install the butyl from the outside.

Again, I varied from the NFM instructions on this issue and installed the butyl from the outside, not the inside, but both methods will work.

TIP: I applied the butyl from the outside for one major reason. I don’t believe in sealing any fitting, installed on a boat, from the interior side of the vessel. If you do get an external leak, between the fitting and hull, you’ll want to know about it.

If I sealed or bedded the cabin side (inside the boat) of the fitting I may be trapping water or worse diverting it somewhere else because it can’t escape out the back side of the fitting. Diversion of water by, internal sealing, creates an almost impossible scenario for tracing external leaks.

Even though this boat does not have cored cabin sides, kudos to CS-Yachts for this move, I still chose to only seal from the front of the port to prevent trapping any water in there that could potentially freeze, expand and do damage in the cold Maine winters..

In short, I did not want any sealant between the ports inside flange and the hull only the outside flange, trim ring and the spigot. I was able to get about five pieces of butyl around the spigot drain and two laps of butyl around the rest of the port, but I can assure you, this was NOT easy.

Squeezing in the butyl and seating it took almost 50 minutes per port before I even began to install the trim ring and bolts or clean up the “squeeze out”.

If your previous ports were installed with silicone you should, at a minimum, wet sand until you get NO water beading when you spray the surface with water. There is no chemical that will remove the embedded silicone from the gelcoat other than sanding. If anyone knows of one please email me! I’ve already tried just about every chemical known to man, even stuff only body shops can buy that is specifically intended for removing silicone. IT DOES NOT WORK ON FIBERGLASS either because it’s too porous or it eats the gelcoat.

TIP: If water beads around where the trim ring is to seal it’s not clean. I use a spray bottle filled with water for this test and do it every time I re-bed a fitting. Do not skimp on this detail.

Using The Kitchen Tool

Here’s the kitchen tool I used for seating the butyl. In combination with the waxed butyl paper this end worked well. The other end, with the white silicone spatula part removed, worked great for stuffing it in between the hull and port.

I applied all the butyl with the clamps in place. When the butyl is finally installed, and packed in place, you can quickly remove the clamps, install the trim ring then re-place the clamps until you get the machine screws in place.

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Second Round Seating The Butyl

In this photo the second round of butyl is just about ready. You do not want to leave the butyl too thick here or it will squeeze out the outer edges of the trim ring and make a huge mess..

I had to redo my first port because I used too much butyl when installing it.

EDIT: If you use a gray butyl tape like Bed-It Tape there will be no need for the marine sealant.

You need enough to make a seal, and to squeeze out between the trim ring and the spigot, but not so much that is squeezes out the outer edge of the trim ring..

Butyl Tip

TIP: When installing the butyl you need to understand and know this stuff is very sticky. It’s like Silly Putty but tenaciously gooey. Use the paper that it comes wrapped in to help seat it.

You can see how I’ve forced it into the seam using the paper. When your done simply remove the waxed backing paper.

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Prepping The Trim Ring – Butyl

Before you can even begin to install the trim ring there are three steps that need to be taken.

The first is to actually clean the trim ring as stated above. The second, pictured, is to wrap butyl around each of the trim ring studs. I found out the hard and messy way that you do not want HUGE globs of butyl around the studs or it will squeeze out the top of the trim ring and make for some messy clean up. I actually re-did my first port because of this.

Seeing as I countersunk each hole I wanted just enough to fill the bevel and a touch more, that’s it.

To make the butyl thinner I simply rolled it between my fingers while pulling slightly at the same time, like you would do with a joint, If your not familiar with this action a visit to any college campus will teach you. I then cut it using a knife and a silicone cutting board and wrapped it around each stud.

Prepping The Trim Ring – Sealant

The next, or third step, in prepping the trim ring, is to apply the sealant. Do not skimp on sealant. Sure it will squeeze out and you will waste a lot of it but it’s important that you have enough in there to seal the entire face of the trim ring. I also doubled up around the studs by applying the sealant on top of the butyl rings.

For this task I used 3M 101 which is a one part polysulfide. It has a bond strength of about 140 PSI and an elongation at break of over 400%. I have been using 3M 101 or Sikaflex 291 a lower bonding (220 PSI) single part polyurethane sealant for years and had great success.

I chose to use 3M 101 polysulfide because it’s easily removable in the future, never hardens as it’s what they used for the UV exposed seams in teak decks. Polysulfides are quite UV resistant by nature, without added UV stabilizers like the polyurethanes need. Even the lowest adhesion polyurethanes like Sikaflex 291, at 221 PSI, offer more adhesion than is necessary in a mechanical fitting which a port is.

NFM recommends, in their instructions, Sikaflex 295UV, a one part polyurethane. The problem I have with 295UV is this. 295UV bonds at 450 PSI (adhesion strength per square inch) which is 150 PSI more than other polyurethanes such as Sikaflex 291 at 221 PSI and 3M 4200 or 3M 4000UV which are both 300 PSI. Anyone who’s ever used 3M 4200 knows how difficult a 300 PSI product is to remove let alone a 450 PSI product like Sikaflex 295UV.

I know the owners of NFM have the utmost confidence in their ports but at some point they will need to be removed or re-bedded and with a 450 PSI adhesion it will be difficult, more difficult than is necessary. Heck, it’s even hard to remove stuff bedded with 3M 101 at 140 PSI.

IMPORTANT: 3M 101 has been discontinued. If doing this project over again I would use gray Bed-It Butyl tape and avoid the entire marine sealant process.

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Setting The Trim Ring

Once the butyl is in place and you’ve prepped the trim ring with a polyurethane or polysulfide, of your comfort and choosing, it’s time to set the trim ring.

If you used the method I outlined it is possible to remove the clamps, for a brief period, after you’ve seated the butyl tape so you can install the gooped up trim ring.

Once the clamps have been removed slide the trim ring over the ports spigot/flange and re-set the clamps. Do not over tighten them and use just enough pressure to get the machine screws started from the inside.

3M 101 On Bolt Threads & Tef-Gel On Bolt Head

Why did I used 3M 101 & Tef-Gel on this machine screw?

Over the last 35 years of boating and messing with stainless steel nuts & bolts I’ve come to know a phenomenon called thread galling quite well. Some may not know what this is, even though they may have experienced it.

Thread galling is most prevalent with fasteners made of stainless steel, aluminum, titanium, and other alloys which self-generate an oxide surface film for corrosion protection.

During fastener tightening, as pressure builds between the sliding thread surfaces, protective oxides are flaked, sloughed or perhaps wiped off. These flaked off pieces create an interference or high point and thus seize or lock the nut and bolt together. This clogging action causes increasing surface adhesion. In the extreme, galling causes seizing or the actual freezing together of the threads. If tightening is continued, the fastener can be twisted off or its threads ripped out.

Some stainless nut & bolt manufacturers actually refer to this phenomenon as cold welding. Anyone who has seen a bolt and nut seized in this manner understands the nature of this description.

TIP: Use some sort of lubrication for the threads as this is the only way to minimize thread galling.

Galling is a problem that can occur at random between two un-lubed stainless pieces such as a nut and a bolt. Essentially, as you begin to tighten they bind together never to come apart again. You never know when this will happen, it just does.

The last thing I wanted was to gall one of the machine screws into the flange as this would require a drill out and re-tap of the trim ring. I could have used Loc-Tite on the threads, to prevent galling, but I know from experience that 3M 101 works and it too prevents the bolt from backing out. I used Tef-Gel at the head of the bolt for lubricity for the stainless to stainless mating where the pan head machine screw meets the ports interior flange. It allows a very smooth tightening of the machine screw with no false torque grabbing..

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The DAP CAP

TIP: This handy little item is called a DAP CAP and it’s available in the Home Depot paint department. It serves two purposes.

1- It can be used to clean up the excess sealant that squeezes out.

2- It fits over the end of an open tube of caulk to seal it for future use.

NOTE: The DAP CAP does not fit Sikaflex nozzles but does work on 3M brand tubes.

Clean Up The Squeeze

This is how you use the DAP CAP. Once the scoop is full simply wipe it onto a paper towel or rag and toss in a bag-lined trash can. Now you’re ready for your next scoop of goo..

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Tighten The Machine Screws

This photo shows the clamp still in place and the bolts inserted about two to three turns. At this point, if you have subscribed to this particular installation method, you may now begin tightening the machine screws in an alternating pattern. If you subscribed to the NFM method of creating a “gasket” follow their instructions.

It’s important for the seal, and even distribution of sealant under the trim ring, using either method, to tighten the machine screws so the trim ring compresses as evenly as possible.

I find it considerably easier to tighten until you meet some resistance, then stop, wait and repeat in 15 minutes or so. I would move onto another project and come back fifteen minutes later and take another few turns. Torquing the trim ring screws slowly allows the butyl to compress slowly and evenly rather than force tightening all the screws immediately.

You’ll notice the Tef-Gel around the bolt head which made for easy turning with minimal grabbing of the two surfaces. Once done, I simply wiped this excess up with paint thinner.

Day Two Clean Up

I let all the ports sit after the tightening them down and then came back and did the final clean up. For the fine detail cleaning I used my favorite boat chisel.

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After the Chisel

By letting the 3M 101 set up overnight it was pliable enough to remove with the chisel and yet still soft enough to get a clean edge with a solvent wipe down..

After The Paint Thinner

Here’s the finished edge. I used paint thinner on a terry cloth rag to get that edge.

IMPORTANT: Do not soak the rag in the solvent. You want just enough solvent to keep the rag damp, to smooth the outer edge of the sealant, that’s all.

You do not want the solvent to eat into or soften the sealant through transfer of of the liquid from the rag to the surface you just want it to smooth over the seam.

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The Final Result

Now that the ports are in I was finally able to remove the cover and snap a photo.

TIP: Since I installed these NFM ports, I’ve treated the port gaskets religiously with 303 Aerospace Protectant. This has resulted in rubber gaskets that look and perform as well today was when they were installed 14 years ago. There has been absolutely no sticking of the gasket to the frame thanks to the judicious use of 303 Aerospace Protectant. Each time I open the ports I squirt a bit onto a rag and wipe the gasket before closing the ports. It adds minimal time but ensures the port gaskets will last for a good long time.

EDIT: It has now been 15 years since this project was completed and the ports look as good today as the day they were installed. They have performed flawlessly, never leaked a drop of water, and really lead to a lot of aesthetic compliments. The only gripe I have about this installation is the cheap black-butyl tape from NFM. It is low quality, stains and bleeds in hot weather. If Bed-It Tape had been used, none of these issues would exist.

Good luck and happy boating!

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